This article is a transcription of an important interview with a former Homeland Security officer on Christian J. Pinto’s Noise of Thunder Radio program. It’s fairly recent, recorded on December 6, 2023. It contains everything the mainstream media is not telling us about America’s border crises. If you find something with more information about the sinister reasons behind the border crisis, please tell me in the comments section below.

If you live in mainland USA, I absolutely urge you to read this entire article! It has information that can save your life! Or if you don’t like to read, you can listen to the audio.

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Okay, praise, Lord, you guys, and welcome. I’m Chris Pinto. This is Noise of Thunder Radio.

Doug Thornton is the host of a podcast called American Vendicta. He is also a retired US Marine and a former federal police officer. I’m going to dedicate most of the program to my interview with him talking about the issue of illegal immigration. Because this is something that’s happening every single day at unprecedented levels. And the remarkable thing when you hear his testimony, remember he was a federal police officer who used to work with the Department of Homeland Security.

For years he spent a lot of time down on the border. He knows what goes on down there. He saw it firsthand. But I ask him a number of questions and you’re going to hear his responses and he’s got a lot of powerful things to say. Not the least of which is that this problem of illegal immigration has gotten worse virtually every year that it’s like it never gets better. It only gets worse. And now the way it’s happening where they’re reporting five to eight million people, possibly more. I mean, nobody knows exactly what the number is. And these reports that it’s not just people coming from Mexico and these Latin American countries, but there’s also potentially hundreds of thousands of fighting age Middle Eastern men who were quite probably part of some Islamic extremist group that are coming into our country, part of some covert operation that they’re planning. That has been reported over and over and over again.

Dr. Ronald Cook told us this is the process of irredentism (immigration warfare). That’s what this is, immigration warfare. Roman style. Roman-style immigration warfare.

There is the Hejra. That’s the Islamic Jihad or immigration Jihad from the Islamic perspective. Irredentism is the Italian version, but it’s one that Rome really is expert at. And we’re watching it right now. We’re watching irredentism happen every single day. They’re bringing the illegals. Right now they’re using them to push people out of hotels and things. I mean, it’s just unbelievable. It’s just like what was going on five and ten years ago over in Europe. But now these same programs are happening here in the United States of America.

And so let’s welcome Doug to the program. Doug, great to have you on. Thanks for being here.

Doug Thornton: Chris, great being on with you, man.

Chris: So, did I get your bio reasonably correct? You’re a former US Marine, a former federal law enforcement officer. You worked with the department of Homeland Security. Can you explain that?

Doug: Yes, I worked for the Department of Homeland Security for 10 years. I worked for the Federal Protective Service as the uniform law enforcement side of the federal government.

For the last four or five years before I got out, I was on a special response team for the federal government. We were called the rapid protection force. We did things such as natural disasters, big riots, high-risk court cases protection and also many, many times we went down to the border to assist our sister units from Border Patrol and CBP (Customs and Border Protection) for their border operations.

So I spent quite a long time in Texas along the southern border going back and forth. And yeah, it’s a mess. It’s a mess down there.

Chris: Do you think the situation we’re seeing, all of these stories we’re seeing independent journalists down at the border and what they’re reporting the massive wave of illegals that are coming in. It seems like it is worse now than ever before. Do you think that’s true?

Doug: Every year it gets worse. If you take a rough estimation that for the last 10 years we’ve had a million people (yearly) cross the border either illegally or coming through here and just slipping the system, then that’s easily 10 million people. But what we typically say is for every million we don’t catch. There are two to 3 million that get by. So if we take that estimate and then we flip it on its head, We’re easily in the last decade at 30 to 40 million people undocumented, not counting people who came here legally and did it the legal way, but 30 to 40 million people undocumented. That’s my rough estimate. And there are plenty of border patrol agents who will say the same thing.

And you don’t know who they are. Many of them are multiple-time felons pedophiles, torturers, rapists, human traffickers, gun traffickers, terrorists, known cartels, and known gang affiliates like the MS 13 (an international criminal gang). And then you know that’s just for the most part from Latin America.

And then you have the other part. The other part is you have the Russians, you have the Chinese, you have people from the Middle East coming over here. Many people from Africa came over here in 2018.

Whenever we had a big border search, I was in the El Paso sector. And in one day, and in one hour, we had 3000 people show up where there were 20 guys working. So what can we do with that? Not very much. And there’s no backup. There’s really no assistance. The soft-side housing units that we have to store these people in are at the max capacity.

You also then have other problems like diseases that come across. But one of the things that seems to slip the mind of Congress, though they know, is the amount of terrorism that comes across the border, the amount of known terrorism that’s being found coming across the border that the FBI blatantly turns the other way.

I have my sources on the border. And I have been told that there have been multiple times a day, a week, where you will have men of fighting age in large groups, five, 10, 15, 20, in a group, and they will all be from the Middle East, and they will appear to look Hispanic, they’ll try to change their identity to look Hispanic. They’ll be caught. They’ll be documented. It’ll be turned over then to the FBI and the FBI will say, let them go and let them proceed into the interior so that we can monitor their movements.

Now, I don’t know about you, but one of the simple forms of having a definition for invasion is an untold amount of people being granted access into the country against the will of the people there to deteriorate the laws and the customs and procedures of the people. Now, after that, if you are in the legislative system or the executive branch you will fully allow that to happen, knowing that you’re bringing disease, crime, terrorism, and sex slave trafficking to include many children trafficked, not just into America, but from America, and then out of America, then you would be more defined as a traitor by that term. But yet, Chris, it’s not really talked about in mainstream media, and you know why? There’s a mockingbird project as to why. And I try to give a voice to law enforcement who doesn’t have it because they’re still working and they know what happens when they speak out.

Chris: What’s the view of most law enforcement in your experience? How do they view this? Do they see it as you say, we’re being betrayed, or what are their thoughts?

Doug: Most of them say that. Most of them say this is just ridiculous. A definition that I was given by a captain that I knew on Border Patrol, and this was in 2018, he said, that trying to defend the border is like trying to catch a waterfall with a paper bag. Just doesn’t make sense anymore. And, and that little analogy stuck with me. And when you have a million people coming across into Eagle Pass, Texas, which, small little country Texas towns, they can’t sustain these amounts of people.

So, when they get there, they’re temporarily housed, which means typically they’re temporarily housed underneath overpasses until buses get there. And then they’re bussed. And from there to where? It used to be when we would catch these people, we would put wristbands on them. We would tie the wristband and date the event, the amount of people we have at this one point in time. And then we take them to a processing center. We get all their information, and run their background checks. And then from there, they’re released. But that’s not even happening anymore. That’s not even happening. So we’re not even identifying who’s coming over here.

Now, I will say this, the procedure has always been if they’re Mexican, then they get put on a bus and sent right back over to Mexico. But no one else anymore. Not only to know if they’re doing that anymore. I’m sure they still are.

Chris: I want to backtrack here for a second. You started to mention the terrorist element. And you talked about that, how these guys are coming from the Middle East. They’re pretending to be Mexican. They’re changing their garments and whatever. Do you believe that there is a plan that is in motion because you think they’re sending people over here, these terror groups, Al Qaeda or ISIS or whoever?

Doug: Absolutely.

Chris: Another attack?

Doug: Yeah, absolutely. It’s eventually going to happen.

I have two stories for you. For one, I caught a Lebanese guy who was in a group of Hispanic people. He did everything he could to his hair, the way he groomed his eyebrows and his beard to look more Hispanic. He wore a soccer jersey. The problem is when we were giving them orders in Spanish, he wasn’t following them. He was just following the crowd and we started to pick up that behavior. And so, we kept telling them different things in Spanish and he wouldn’t follow exactly as everyone else was so I kind of got curious. And I have seen this before. So this is why I had experience with it. And I gave him some commands in simple Arabic. And I’ll be damned if he didn’t listen immediately. So put your hands up and turn around. Hey guys, watch this. Put your hands up. (In Arabic) Turn around. Hands up. And he did it! And so that’s when we got to talk to him. “Where you from?” He’s from Lebanon. “Why are you here? He just shrugged his shoulders. They’ll never give you the reason. Because you’ll never see the men, the women, the children, the elders. What we see, Chris, are large amounts of fighting-age men, 16 to 60, fighting-age men.

In 2018, when we were getting tasked by President Trump to go to the border, to go and assist border patrol, our agents briefed us on a piece of information. And it was one of the leaders from Iran. And I don’t know if it was the Ayatola but it was one of those guys. He’s sitting around a group of people. And he says, “The goal one day is eventually getting a young Jihadi into Mexico to the cartels, and from there into Juarez Mexico into a tunnel underneath Juarez into El Paso, where he can release a biological agent like either Rison or Antrax and kill hundreds of thousands of people.” And then everyone clapped and cheered, “Yay! What a great plan, sir.

We knew then that was happening. But 10 years prior to that, this has been happening. Infowars broke a story with Joe Biggs, who’s now a political prisoner. Many years ago, back in 2015, 2016, when I was still working in South Texas, they were fighting mosques along the border in Mexico. Well, now instead of mosques, you’re finding small Chinatowns that are popping up. And we’re finding Chinese pattern military rifles along the border now that the cartel are using. So there’s a buildup of something. And if you ask my honest opinion, it’s a buildup of everything. It’s not one group. It’s all the groups. It’s not just the Chinese and their fentanyl. It’s their people as well.

Now, we don’t see as high an influx of Russians, probably because Ukraine is more of a priority, but that doesn’t mean that they’re not being slipped in. But you do see a high amount of Venezuelans. You do see a high amount of Cubans.

Now, you take these people from socialist communist countries and they’re men of fighting age. And they are bussed here. They didn’t walk. They did not walk here. They were bussed here. Who bussed them? George Soros. In 2018, we were finding leaflets and $500 prepaid Visa cards by George Soros. And then we were finding leaflets from a former Texas politician, Beto O’Rourke, of how to get into the border and how to get past DHS, how to come up and talk to us. So if they have their affiliates from that political group in Mexico City and in, Panama and elsewhere in Central America, what else is there? Who else is there? And what can you get there? I mean, the tunnels alone, you can drive 18-wheelers through some of these tunnels. The Sinaloa cartel will go to the Sinaloa mines, the silver mines in the Sinaloa mountains. They’ll take miners and they’ll make the miners go and dig the mines and then they’ll kill them. And then they’ll go and grab the next group. And if they don’t do it, they’ll kill them. They’ll kill their family and they will do it.

Chris: Now, you’re talking about tunnels underground from Mexico into the United States?

Doug: Absolutely. From Texas to California.

Chris: So then, what do you think about President Trump’s idea of this wall along Mexico? Is the wall really going to have an impact? Even if they can complete it, if they’ve got these underground tunnels that are so huge, couldn’t they just take the migrants underground?

Doug: Well, that’s a yes and a no question. More of them are going to come by the Coyotes (a person who smuggles immigrants into America for a fee) across the land than going underground. That’s kind of like a special privileged kind of thing. But the wall was working. We saw the wall was working. My group was there whenever the first border wall projects started, my group was there and we were there while the walls were being built. They ended up not going with a wall that we wanted. The wall that we wanted looked like it could keep out of T-Rex. But instead, they went with these, slats in the walls so that they could see people in there. There are benefits to that. But would it have worked? It would have slowed them down. It would have created an obstacle. You know, you put a fence around your house to keep out the dogs and the crooks, but still, people can climb over. People are very ingenuitive. But it would have slowed down the average person.

Now, in El Paso, I remember we saw probably a late 60s, maybe early 70s year woman climbing with a freakin’ ladder up one of these walls, and we’re like, “Don’t do it. Don’t do it.” And she jumped and broke both of her legs. So it causes all different types of injuries, which by the way, you paid for that surgery to fix her.

It is such a burden, not just on law enforcement and not just on the civilians on the border, the US civilians, but also our economic system is being destroyed by these people. Because right now, Chris, you and I have to pay something called taxes. You and I right now have to work for a living. God willing, we still can. There’ll be an hour and day when no man can work says Jesus. But these people don’t. They get a college degree. Kids go to school for free, free food, free house, free phone, free internet, free laptop, sometimes free vehicles, free public transportation. That is then given to them. They’re not in the greatest places ever. But now with Joe Biden’s new program, they’re going to start moving these people into vacant houses and suburbs.

Eventually, the American people are not going to put up with this anymore. One of my concerns is that when you push people into a corner, you are giving them two chances, two opportunities, to either capitulate and bow down and follow the masses, or to fight back with everything that you have so you never have to do this again or die trying. I think we’re coming to a point where that is going to be very applicable in the future.

Chris: You believe then that we are headed for a civil war?

Doug: Absolutely. Absolutely. Manufactured too, absolutely manufactured. You have such tribalism in America, and I’ve seen it being in law enforcement. You have a very, very hot-style form of people called liberals and Democrats. And then you have the regular conservatives who just want to be left alone. And eventually, these two groups are going to clash. You see these groups classing in 2020 at the riots. But then you have another problem. You have distrust in law enforcement, distrust in the government, and a distrust in the military. You also have a distrust in the economy, the economy’s tanking currently as we speak. And now they want to get rid of the US dollar and bring forth the digital dollar, which leads us into the whole Mark of the Beast and all that. The critical infrastructure for the Antichrist is being created right now.

These things, think of it as a pot boiling over effect. In order to get to that level where it is all about control, the 15-minute cities, your good behavior status online determines what you can buy, and what you can drive. can you fly? can you take a boat? Are you allowed outside of your house that day? And then the amount of monitoring that we have from the cell phones, the laptops, the cameras that are everywhere in every city now that report everything you do every keystroke is monitored every email, every text message is kept in a database somewhere in the NSA that any moment of time an intelligence agency can go grab it and then create a dossier on you and they already have most of your life.

You cannot look at this situation and says we don’t already live under a form of tyranny. We have an absolutely volunteer force, a government that we put these people into position for some reason. And then they won’t relinquish their own power, which is how they cheat in the elections.

If Donald Trump doesn’t get re-elected, do you think the average person in America is going to sit back and not complain about it? And then from there, do you think there’s a small group of people who aren’t going to take up arms about it? January 6 was a precursor to what 2024 is. If you think of it as this, January 6 was planned in 2016. If that’s true. Then 2024 was planned in 2020 in 2021 with January 6. So I believe that they are planning and building up the pressure building in the pot for a violent reaction from the people. That’s why you have things like the Patriot Act. That’s why Joe Biden along with the UN and other international forces are saying that we need to hamper free speech on the Internet. Well, that means you and I go away.

Then you have them coming out for the guns. They want to come out for your food. They will want to control all your movements. Remember Barack Obama said you don’t need an air conditioner, you don’t need a car when he went to Africa? They mean that stuff. And it’s all about a level of control. If they can stop your mobility, they can stop your defense ability, and then they can stop your ability to provide for yourself, well then, you have to rely upon the government. And if you have to rely upon the government for food, medical, shelter, retirement or your money, then you have to be a part of the System. And if you don’t want to be a part of the System, you don’t get to buy, sell, or trade. That’s why I’ve been saying, every bit of what we see is the buildup of the infrastructure of the Antichrist.

And the Vatican plays a large part in it, Chris. You know this, we have NGOs, nongovernment organizations on the border that are helping affiliates, they’re trying to bring these people coming across the border, who are not all Christians. They’re bringing these people across the border and then they’re funneling them all over the United States. Even to this day in the United States, we have slave factories, where you have people coming across the border by the cartel. And these are factories owned by the cartel. And they will bring these people and take them to these places. They’ll have a little apartment or house for them. And they will work for free to death in these places to make stuff. Just like they do in China. That’s happening here in America. And then you have the sex slave trafficking. I mean, I can go on and on. You can’t look at this and say we’re not in danger.

Chris: You mentioned the Vatican. If you would, talk about your knowledge of the role of the Catholic Church and the Vatican overall on this illegal immigration issue into our country from Mexico to the United States. What involvement do they have?

Doug: You have entities like almost every Catholic Church, then to include the Red Cross that are all sponsored by the Vatican, and controlled by the Vatican. They are the main culprits and moving people. It’s always been a Catholic Church that shows up somewhere at midnight with a van when we got, a busload or two of the illegals. And then they come and pick them up and they drive them away because they are helping the government with re-purposing these people, bringing them to other places.

In El Paso, there was a million-plus square foot warehouse in the industrial park, where the Red Cross was set up, and they had at least 10,000 beds in there for people right underneath your nose. You never knew it. I’ve been in that facility multiple times. I dropped people off at that facility multiple times. Because when we didn’t have the ability to put people in the soft side housing, the NGOs set up a new place. They’ll go to the industrial parks in your city, and if there’s a big 100,000 to 300 million square foot warehouse, they’ll set up in their temporary status for maybe a month or two, and they’ll house these people, and then they’ll close down shop, and they’ll open up somewhere else. And we monitor these things, we know where they’re happening at. By “we” I mean the government knows.

In El Paso, right in the heart of El Paso, there’s a no-go zone, where you had just a couple months ago, hundreds, I know because my guys were on the border and they were working this, you had hundreds of people that were roving the streets of El Paso in gangs of hundreds of men, teenagers and men harassing people, assaulting people, raping people, killing people, robbing people. And the Sacred Heart Church, which is on 602 South Oregon Street was right there the entire time. And that’s where these people would meet up. That’s where they would meet their handlers.

Chris: What is the Sacred Heart Church? That’s a Catholic Church?

Doug: That’s a Catholic Church. Yeah.

Chris: So is that a Jesuit church?

Doug: Yes it is. That is actually a Jesuit church.

Chris: Was there anything about the Jesuits in particular down at the border that you learned or that you have learned while monitoring the whole situation?

Doug: Just their involvement. The more you pay attention to these things, the more people pop up. And it’s not like they’re new, they’ve been there the whole time. But they obviously are controlling movements. And by movements I mean you have to – this is a huge logistical lift – you have to pay for the fuel. You have to get the buses, the vans, the drivers, either volunteer or they’re paid. And then you have to be meeting with border patrol at these pickup stations. And then from there, where are you taking them? Sometimes they take them halfway across the country and they just drop people off and they’ll come back and then take them to another spot. I don’t want to say it’s equal distribution across the country. Personally, I can’t prove this but me personally I think these people are being strategically located. Now, they go to all Democrat cities. El Paso is a Democrat city.

Chris: So you believe then, and I know this might even sound like sort of obvious kind of question, but you believe that this is all deliberate? Do you believe that these are poor refugees who are coming in because they’re destitute or something? Or do you believe that this is a planned invasion of the United States of America?

Doug: I would tell you both. I would tell you both. You know, one of the problems with Americans, and I saw this on the border, is you get this detachment from people. And you’re like, “Oh man, these people are just coming here to suck off of our system.” Well, many of these people are coming from war-torn countries, very poor countries, and they will risk anything to make a better life for themselves and their families. Well, that exclusively is for the families. But when you see hundreds of men and a ranger file, single, single line, walking up to the border. Who are you? Where did you come from? Do you not have work? Does your government not take care of you? What about your families? Who’s a father here? And, many of them, I believe, and I’ve talked to a few sources, I believe that many of them are either told or paid to come here. They’re given a temporary job. And they’re just here to wait for the inevitable day that they’re activated. That’s what I believe. And I know many law enforcement officers who believe that. And I know folks in the Pentagon who believe that. You cannot deny that.

What do you think would happen if two million American men showed up right now in Beijing? “We met in Japan, you knew we were there, and then we just took boats when it came over to mainland China. And we just decided, you know what, we’re going to stay here. Go get us a job government.” What do you think Beijing would say? “You’re invading us.” Not only that, we would not be allowed, right? But in America, where they are paid by the Chinese to ignore these things, it can happen. This is the problem with the lobbyists. Thirty-three or more known Republicans are lobbyists for China. That’s Republicans! You might as well count every Democrat. So is the problem then, Chris, China, Russia, all these countries coming across the border, is the problem the border? Or is the real problem seated somewhere in a house of authority, allowing it to happen, getting the intelligence briefings from law enforcement from intelligence communities, from the Pentagon saying, why are you doing this? Stop it. Why don’t you do something about it? Fund the border. How about you fund DHS? How about you hire more Border Patrol officers so that they can catch people? But at that point, if you then write the laws and then tell Border Patrol their new policy is not to catch, but just to document and release, and don’t even document, just monitor and watch them walk away. Then what is the point of having a border?

So if the government fails us, and they’re obviously failing us for a reason, I don’t care what Congressman comes out and grandstands for five minutes about how bad the border is. The majority of Republicans and Democrats are doing this. Then the problem is bestowed upon the governor of the States.

Texas took a very aggressive approach to it. And it worked. It’s been working. We have our own law enforcement involved in it. That’s a tough job, man. We are monitoring, patrolling and observing our own border. We’ve set up obstructions for our own border. And then the Biden administration sues us for setting these things up and says you need to remove them. And Greg Abbott gave them the middle finger salute and we haven’t removed anything. It would take California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas together in a Confederate of States to say we shall control the border and protect our civilians. And if you’re not going to protect your civilians, then the problem goes to your local government, your state government. And that means the problem has been we the people the entire time. That’s why I’m saying there you’re going to force people to do something that you know that they will do. And then it’ll be a hot got you catch 22. And then they’ll prosecute we the people. That’s the way I see this happening. And it’s this inevitable approach of a dog chasing its tail and every time it bites its tail gets mad at itself, Right? Eventually, we’re going to have to do something about it. But currently, if we’re not, we’re being invaded by disease, we’re being invaded by criminals, we’re being invaded by terrorists, and we’re being invaded and having our jobs going to other people.

Social Security in probably 10 years is not going to be there. That means you and I aren’t going to get social security. And many other benefits are going away. They’ve even said that they want to come after veterans benefits and I’m a US Marine veteran. They want to come after our benefits to help pay for not only Ukraine but also the people coming across the border. I could complain for weeks, for weeks, but nothing’s being done about it, Chris.

Chris: You mentioned people coming across the border and waiting for a special day. Are you talking about Middle Eastern-type guys coming across waiting for a special day? Can you elaborate on that more?

Doug: I think we need to broaden the horizon of the threat. The threat is communism. Most of the countries that we invaded that are Middle Eastern, did you know that those were communist countries or socialist countries? They all have this weird thing in common: Socialism, communism and authoritarianism. And by the way, all those countries now are BRICS (Association of Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa) nations alliances too. So I see this as a quasi BRICS nations invasion allowed by the US government.

And Canada has its bigger point to play in this as well. This is also happening in Canada. Most people don’t know this. You can take a flight from Mexico, direct flight into Canada, and then just walk right across the border.

So, I think the inevitable goal is the invasion of America. And then you cut up the Thanksgiving Turkey as you need to. Why stage a war, why float across an invasion force of people? If I was a diabolical person and I wanted to take down America, this is what I would do. I would pay your politicians to allow my army to come across. And it’s so hard and too obvious to bring my army from Beijing and from St. Petersburg and Moscow over to Mexico, then we’ll just hire our friends in South America, who are all on our side, and we’ll send them up first. And that’ll be the initial force. All you need is an initial force of people. And it takes these two or three things. If you were wise about this, you would cut the power, you would black out America. If you’re going to be very wise about this you would then take that invasionary force, and you would have them take over the border towns and the border patrol checkpoints. And then they would create a DMZ for themselves, a demilitarized zone, which would actually be just a militarized zone for the next group to come, and that would be a mechanized group. That mechanized group is the cartel. So with the cartel’s involvement, which is just as well established as the US military at this point, with the cartel’s involvement and then with all these other multiple countries that are here, you can cause a lot of damage. You can secure the southern border. And if America’s blacked out and we’re in World War Three status, you can probably bet that there are forces that are going to be rerouted into Mexico. And then they’re going to drive their tanks, their artillery and everyone else straight up north and to the southern border. And that’s just one of the beginning phases of a pincer attack. The same thing can happen from Canada and down to Mexico and up. And then eventually Russia meets on the East Coast and China on the West Coast and now America is surrounded.

I mean at that rate, this is one of the things that Dr Peter Vincent Pry (the Executive Director of Task Force on National and Homeland Security) warned about. Disease, famine, civil war, and then, just the brutality of not having law enforcement around anymore and no more power. America would be dead in a year and you can walk right in and take it. That’s what I think the future is if we don’t do anything about it. But what can you really do about it?

Chris: Wow! Doug, I think this has been great. Been very, very good.

Do you know of a document called, ” Strangers No Longer.” Do you know this document?

Doug: No, I do not.

Chris: It was engineered years ago between the Catholic bishops in America and the Catholic bishops in Mexico. The whole purpose of the document was to facilitate the idea of strangers no longer. We’re going to import all of these people from Mexico into America so that we’re no longer strangers. That’s the idea. It’s sort of the kind of humanitarian invasion.

Doug: It appears to be working.

Chris: It’s all about love and humanitarianism and embracing people who are different in this kind of thing.

Doug: Do you ever think that the Vatican is coordinating this with the United States government?

Chris: Oh, yeah, I totally believe they are. And I mean, I think that’s why they wanted Biden in the White House. Biden is a Jesuit. He goes to a Jesuit church. He’s been close to the order throughout his life. His family Bible is specifically a Jesuit Bible. And I think he has a long relationship with the order. His inaugural prayer was done by a Jesuit priest. And then there was an inaugural mass that was done by yet another Jesuit priest. And so he’s very, very close with the order. They run Georgetown University. That’s where they train the spies for the CIA. And yeah, so when you sent me some couple of months ago, that photo and you said your guys down there, they said, this is the church where all these illegals go. And I went and I looked it up. And it’s a Jesuit church. To me, it all fits together. It all makes sense. I think they are engaging in what Dr. Ronald Cook calls, irredentism, and that’s, the Italian word for immigration warfare.

Doug: Yep. So to me, this is very similar to the Arab Spring. During the Obama administration, we had the Arab Spring. We had people from Africa that fled – is the word that they use – up into Turkey and then from there into Europe. And then they spread all the way out to Scandinavia. And now I believe one of the cities in Sweden has the most hand grenade attacks upon any other city in America or in Europe. And I mean, we’re talking Sweden! Sweden? Right. Blond hair blue-eyed people and, yet apparently it was these immigrants who were now bringing in all the hand grenades.

London is now called Londonstan. In Germany, they were forcing elderly people out of their homes and out of their apartments to make way for migrants. And migrants is the political term. I call them invaders. It used to be, I think it was part of the eastern side of France where there are no-go zones. Last time I checked half of France is a no-go zone. Half of Britain is a no-go zone. And there are other places like this, and they all have something in common and it is Islam. It is Islam.

And then you have Greece and other parts of the areas around Greece that are now being invaded by African migrants by the thousands, thousands, some say tens of thousands, and they don’t know what to do with them, but they’re all men, teenagers to 60s. They’re all what you would call hyper-violent. And no one can really explain why they’re there. Why do they have a refugee status? But the government accepts them right then, but the people don’t. And so now you’re seeing, you’re seeing this conflict with the people and the migrants.

Chris: What do your guys say? Your federal law enforcement, and police agents who are observing this whole thing, what do they say about the Islamic element?

Doug: It’s still there. The threat is still there.

Chris: Do believe this is leading us to a future terror attack?

Doug: Absolutely. Absolutely. The Border Patrol said it. The Border Patrol themselves said that we are not going to be the ones responsible for a future terror attack. We catch the people. We turn them over to the FBI. The FBI says, let them in the country, and we don’t know why.

The thing that I fail to understand is who is the FBI to give the Border Patrol an order? And who are the politicians to give the Border Patrol an order? Herein lies the problem, much like what you and I were mentioning with the book Ordinary Men in Nazi Germany. The problem with law enforcement right now is we are taking orders from intelligence agencies and we’re taking orders from politicians that we know break the Constitution of their un-American, unpatriotic acts, and we know that they are socialist communists, they’re extremists, and yet we go along with it. Just following orders.

See, the Nuremberg problem, but that is eventually when the people get tired of it, they’re going to look at law enforcement and say, “You assisted in this. You knew it. You were dealing with it. You passed the intelligence along. You caught the bad guys. You processed the bad guys. You let the bad guys go. Why didn’t you do something about it?” Do you know why? Because they’ll say, “I was just following orders. What am I supposed to do about it?”

And there is a defense for that. The defense is unless law enforcement goes completely rogue and says, “We’re filling up the prisons. We’re filling up the jails. And then we’re going to take them on a bus and we’re taking them back to Mexico and we’re releasing them. Even if we tried to do that, that would depend on if Mexico took them. And then from there, they’re just going to gather back at the river and walk right back across.

Chris: I have a question for you. Maybe you can answer this. I’ve heard this for years and maybe you know something about it. But I was watching, I was reviewing footage, getting ready for this interview, and they were showing in one of the stories online all of these migrants that are being brought from Africa and they’re flying them in and all those other kinds of just crazy. And at one point, there was a woman who was stopped along the way. And she was not allowed to go to the next checkpoint in her flight travel. And they said because her records were not an order or something. And she said she was upset. And she said, “I’m so upset. I paid $10,000 for this trip. And now I’m not going to be able to complete my journey.”

I have heard for years that people coming up from Mexico are paying the coyotes five to eight to $10,000 in cash to be led across the border. When they do statistics for Americans, US citizens, and they ask Americans, “How easy would it be for you to come up with $1,000 in cash for an emergency?” 60% or more of Americans say that would be difficult. So my question is this, where are these desperate migrants getting $5,000 and $10,000 in cash if the situation for them is so bad in their home countries, where are they getting all this money that the average American apparently does not have in their bank account?

Doug: So when we see people from China, they have a little bit easier. They have things that they can sell. But some of these people are selling everything. The dog, the cat, the goldfish, the car, the home, the cattle. And then, ask yourself, how does someone from Africa meet with a Mexican cartel? How does someone from say Ethiopia which is on the eastern side of Africa, meet with a Mexican cartel member and then get smuggled into typically it’s South America and then brought up through Central America and then eventually into the Mexican cartels? So they’re not interacting with the Mexican cartels at that rate. They’re interacting with another entity that is shipping them by boat, not by plane typically, by boat to places like Peru or Chile or they’ll send them to Guatemala, some to Honduras. Typically from what we’ve seen is that they’re being funneled into South America, like Colombia. And then they go north. Most of that is funded by George Soros and American politicians and NGOs. So it’s an entire NGO set up to help people smuggle people. That’s called human trafficking. And to South America, Central America, and then up the board.

Now, when they get to Mexico, they have to get permission from the cartels. And it’s all too easy. They meet these people typically, in the center of Mexico or, from Mexico City, and they get sent up. A lot of times they are bussed in Greyhound buses, tourist buses! And then they’re sent into, one of the many different states along the border of Mexico. And from there, they’re dispersed. The cartel meets them right there at these bus stops. “Okay. You guys come over here.” The American NGOs set up way-stations for food, water, and cell phones, and give them money, which is all paid for typically by George Soros foundations. And then right there before you get to the border, let’s say it’s typically $8,000 a head. One coyote can collect $80,000 for a couple of hours of work. Four to five times a day. Lots of money. I don’t know how to do this math right off the top of my head. But let’s say a million people cross the border and each person paid $10,000 to get there. Do the math. That’s a lot of money the cartel is making.

The cartel is a Fortune 500 company. And we’ve known it. We’ve watched them. We monitor them. We observe them. They’ll send us sometimes at these border patrol checkpoint stations, they’ll send us an 18-wheeler filled with weed. Filled with weed. You can smell it coming over the bridge. Then the dogs hit on it. And then we have a merry time tearing the truck apart. And it sucks us all in. And meanwhile, the truck full of fentanyl goes this way. Or a truck with a nuclear missile goes this way. We won’t know because we’re so busy with this one thing. Or, the vehicles going south with weapons and ammunition and people and money. And then you have things coming north and coming south.

Chris: Let’s just address fentanyl very quickly. The reports that I’m reading, is it correct to say that they are disguising fentanyl to look like other drugs, and shipping it into our country to trick people into taking it so that they’ll take it and die?

Doug: Well, a lot of times fentanyl gets to the border. And then the cartel will create something else out of it so that looks like candy. And then it’s sent north.

Chris: Are they delivering it deliberately to kill people?

Doug: I mean, why not? You know it kills people. You know, it’s the most addictive drug out there next to pornography. It’s the most addictive thing on the streets. So, I mean, it’s killed a million people or more easily. It is currently killing a million people or more. And next year it’ll do it again. And then it’ll do it again.

Fentanyl comes from China. Only one place creates fentanyl, and that’s China. And your government knows that. Your Pentagon knows that. Your intelligence agencies and law enforcement agencies know that. And no one says anything about it except you’ll see Matt Gaetz or maybe some other Republican who at least has a brain and will say, “We’re being killed and China’s the one doing it.” It takes more than just a Matt Gaetz or one or two other Republicans out there who actually have some sand to stand on to do anything about this.

But once again, go back to lobbyists. How many of them are bought and paid for? How many of them? Diane Feinstein finally just kicked the bucket. One of the biggest proponents of communist China in the American government was Diane Feinstein.

This is your government. All this could be stopped by your government. Trump wanted to put the troops on the border. Trump actually said at one point, “We’re going to take the next tour of duty and make it the southern border.” I don’t know why we haven’t.

Chris: Well, correct me if I’m wrong, brother, but the way I see it, Mexico, just by the numbers is the number one enemy of the United States of America. Just in terms of casualties and deaths. I mean, we lost 58,000 men in Vietnam. The illegals have killed hundreds of thousands of US citizens when you factor in the drug trade and all the crime that’s been committed. Is that accurate to say?

Doug: Absolutely. Trump was not lying when he said they’re literally sending us the scum of the earth. They really are, because the average man and woman and family units can’t make it here. And, by the UN standards, if you’re a refugee, you have to stop in the first country that, accepts the refugee status. That means Mexico. But they’re not. And we know that they’re not. And yet we allow them in. Look what Biden just allowed all the Cubans and Venezuelans over here. All the communists and socialists, as I like to say. And the majority of them are men of fighting age. This is eventually going to be part of a very, very big problem in America. A very big problem.

I think that even if you put the military on the border and built the border wall, you’ll slow the influx of people coming across for a while. But then we had to turn to the interior of the United States and deal with those people. And I will say it, deport them, deport them back to the country they came from. And every single criminal organization.

I worked for the federal Bureau of Prisons, the Department of Justice for a while. And I’m beyond at the rate of saying that, all of our prisons are at max capacity. We don’t have anywhere to put you. So if that’s the case, send them to Afghanistan, man. I don’t care where you send them. You know, you wanted to come here. Great. We’re going to parachute you off into the Sahara. Survive there. No one’s invading Africa. No one’s invading Iraq. No one’s invading Saudi Arabia. No one’s invading China. They’re not sending mass migrants of people to Russia or to Ukraine. Mass migrants aren’t going to South America to stay. They’re all being sent to America. It’s to destabilize. There can be no other reason except to destabilize the economy, rattle up the people, and destroy the inner workings of our government, especially by creating social disorder like crime.

And then what happens? What happens when the first shot across the world, or the first shot heard around the world and we get into World War Three with Russia and China? What do you think all those people here are going to do? You think they’re going to say, “Oh, we’re all Americans.” No! Most of them don’t like Americans. They want your country. They want your house, but they don’t like us for the most part. That’s going to be a problem and we’re going to have to deal with it.

And it’s going to be a problem that the government, our government knows will happen. And I believe is preparing along with the UN and NATO to move in on America and to seize control to re-stabilize America, just like we did with Iraq. We destabilized Iraq. We took out the power. We took out the people in charge and we killed the economy. And then we allowed warlords. Then we moved dozens of different nations, and militaries into Iraq to stabilize that nation. And we didn’t leave it for 20 years. That’s America’s future. That’s it. There can be no other reason for all of this.

Chris: All right. So can you sum up then your view, what should God-fearing Americans do? And can you give me a 60-second answer?

Doug: Yeah, oh absolutely. Worry about the oil in your lamp. That’s what I tell you to do. Worry about your relationship with God, preparing the stores of your house, so store up your beans, bowls, and band-aids, and get in good shape, because when the power goes out, you’re going to walk and most Americans don’t know what that means anymore. And building up relations with people around you and recreating a community around you. Most people don’t even know their neighbors anymore. Because when America breaks down, tribalism will be enacted again, and we’re going to look like the 13 colonies all over again. That’s how America began, and that’s how we’ll end up as little bitty colonies. And we’ll be out there trying to protect each other.

Suburbs will become their own cities, their own townships until we eventually re-knit the fabric of this country back together again. And only through, Chris, I dare say that only through getting on our knees together and praying to Abba Father to protect us, to keep the sin out of our land and out of your home, that’s the only way we will survive this, period.

You cannot raise up a 10 million man army to the border or the White House and defeat this enemy. Most of us can’t even stand together in the same church service because of all the different denominations. Do you think we’ll gather together? We won’t. We will gladly stand different apart from each other now. That is, I believe, the sinful nature of America has caused that, one of Satan’s many plots. But I believe everything that’s going on right now is going to be eventually to glorify God by his people because we’re going to be taken to a wilderness. And God exposes Himself to his people in the wilderness. Just most of us aren’t ready for that walk. Now that’s about it.

Chris: All right, so as Doug said, that is about it. That is the end of that interview with Doug Thornton. We’re very thankful that we had a chance to talk to him. But that is going to do it for us today. That is our show. We’ll stop it there. But we will be back next time as the Lord leads us until then. God bless you guys. I’m Chris Pinto and you’ve been listening to Noise of Thunder Radio.

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