– Since “Spring” refers to the “new” and
– Since “meier”means “great farmer” and he comes from a family of farmers and he is interested in “planting seeds of truth” and
– Since “Fritz” means “peace-keeper:”
It is entirely possible that his name change was for self-inspirational reasons. I’m curious why he doesn’t give a reason for the name change, but it could be a personal, private thing to him.
I don’t know Fritz and cannot personally vouch for him, and I read the article you refer to, but the name theory sounds like a real stretch, even if your etymology had been correct. There are many people named Fritz. I’m sure every name is used by someone or another who has evil intentions. Since meier is not related to master, that part is not true at all.
I don’t find it to be sound logic to say that if someone isn’t killed or in prison, that they must be a fraud. By implication you say that it’s impossible for anyone to get away with speaking. Do you actually know whether it’s possible or impossible?
To say that Fritz got out of jail therefore must be a fraud is not a sound argument either. It is no small thing to be imprisoned for 8-9(?) years. That’s quite a length of time to spend in prison simply as a cover. Having a blog is easy, anyone can do it anywhere, anytime. I notice there is barely anything on his blog.
Many people adopt names such as “Yahshua” in an attempt to be more accurate in expressing the Hebrew version of Jesus. Last I looked, scholars are not actually in agreement which rendering is Hebraically correct.
Alex Jones a disinfo agent? I can’t say for sure but in everything I’ve seen from him, he sure does put out a lot of truth! He exposes many things that in my research I know to be true. I’m not particularly fond of his communication style or ego or in agreement with a lot of his personal thinking, but he does put out a whole lotta facts. Same with Fritz. Same with Icke. I find it doubtful that these guys would put out so much information that does so much exposing as part of their cover. Would an illuminati pedophile and animal sacrificer really put out a bunch of information on pedophilia and animal sacrifice within their own group? No, the typical M-O of a disinfo agent would be to debunk these things, not expose them. If Fritz, Alex and David are disinfo agents, then that means there is no such thing as the illuminati, no satanism, no corruption, no new world order, no ritual abuse.
These men don’t have my blind allegiance but I see no solid reason to ignore or discredit what they have to say. But if someone offers some sound evidence, I’m all ears.
What evidence is there that Fritz got all his information from Mark Phillips? What did Mark write that Fritz could’ve gleaned over 1000 pages of material from? Or is this just unsubstantiated slander?
Did you do as Jesus says, and go to the person and ask them direct so as not to be “angry with your brother without a cause.” Or are you just believing those who wish to discredit him?
Brenda, it looks like I forgot to answer your question! A good and reputable friend (IMO) who knows all of the parties in question told me that Fritz got most of his information from Mark Philips. I do not want to give the person’s name for privacy’s sake. You only have my word for it for what you think its worth. That’s all I can say.
In the light of what Fritz is saying these says on his pentracks.com blog, do you still think he is a good source of information? http://pentracks.com/blog/2014/05/william-van-duyn-head-of-illuminati-toasts-60-yr-anniversary-of-bilderberg-mtgs/
God forbid that I should slander a good man of God! I only want to present what I consider to be facts. What Mr. Springmeier himself has recently written should be enough evidence to show he has been led astray and is not a reliable source of credible information.
I have seen this movie of Billy Graham. He is a Mr Worldly Wiseman, leading thousands away from the truth and into the arms of Rome. He is part of the emerging church movement and is in with the Ric Warrens of this world. The ecumenical movement is a curse and many ministers will be resposible for the enternal loss of millions of people. Why people are so infatuauted with the Church of Rome is beyond me. People need to read Peter De Rosa’s book “Vicars of Christ” and Avro Manhattan’s book The “Vatican’s Holocaust”. Rome has not changed and never will change.
Kent Hovind has changed his position on the pre trib rapture because he is confussed now.I used to believe the false theory of the post trib rapture but now I have seen thru that and can see that the rapture is pre trib.It is as clear as day now to me.There is no confussion at all.
Michael
Kent Hovind changed his position on pre-trib rapture because God’s Word says in Matthew 24:
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Alex Jones and Lindsey Williams both suffer persecution and threats on their lives.
The fact is that Jones has equally blamed Jesuits and Zionists alike, along with every other group responsible for death, theft and destruction of the planet.
You must understand that Alex does not come at this from a religious perspective (because right or wrong – wants everyone united against evil in order to expose it in a negative way). When Jones DOES expose evil in a religious sense, he always goes back to the Holy Bible and to the God of the Bible. However, he’s not going to point out Babylonian Sun worship, Kabbalists (Jacobean witchcraft), etc. unless he sees it firsthand – such as in the case of the large statue of Buddha or the giant owl idol in California.
Honestly, the strange part about this is that unlike Lindsey and Alex – I never hear Ron Paul speak about Yeshua at all and of the three men I’ve only seen Ron Paul show masonic symbols clearly. The link here is no ordinary symbol – and it’s not by chance. The correct signals are used with the correct hands.
I’ve always supported Ron Paul, but he decided to play the political game while Alex has not. The irony here is that Ron Paul whose in this video is the only one of the three who’s openly a Freemason, and he’s not willing to come out against the Israeli Mossod, Pakistani ISI, the CIA, U.S. Military, etc. about 9/11.
The important thing is to trust YHWH, not man – and not to seek to stop the plans of Satan through physical means. Our wrestle is against spiritual dark powers.
/Brother James. Just a little something I ran into on the surprising net./
PRETRIB RAPTURE SCHOLARSHIP !
How can the “rapture” be “imminent”? Acts 2:34,35 reveal that Jesus stays at the Father’s right hand in heaven until He leaves to destroy His foes at the second coming to earth. Acts 3:21 says that Jesus “must” stay in heaven with the Father “until the times of restitution of all things” which includes, says Scofield, “the restoration of the theocracy under David’s Son” which obviously can’t begin before or during Antichrist’s reign. (“The Rapture Question,” by the long time No. 1 pretrib authority John Walvoord, didn’t dare to even list, in its scripture index, the above verses! The same Acts verses were also too hot for John Darby – the so-called “father of dispensationalism” – to list in the scripture index in his “Letters”!)
Paul explains the “times and the seasons” (I Thess. 5:1) of the catching up (I Thess. 4:17) as the “day of the Lord” (5:2) which FOLLOWS the posttrib sun/moon darkening (Matt. 24:29; Acts 2:20) WHEN “sudden destruction” (5:3) of the wicked occurs! The “rest” for “all them that believe” is also tied to such destruction in II Thess. 1:6-10! (If the wicked are destroyed before or during the trib, who’d be left alive to serve the Antichrist?) Paul also ties the change-into-immortality “rapture” (I Cor. 15:52) to the end of trib “death” (15:54). (Will death be ended before or during the trib? Of course not! And vs. 54 is also tied to Isa. 25:8 which Scofield views as Israel’s posttrib resurrection!) It’s amazing that the Olivet Discourse contains the “great commission” for the church but not even a hint of a pretrib rapture for the church!
Many are unaware that before 1830 all Christians had always viewed I Thess. 4’s “catching up” as an integral part of the final second coming to earth. In 1830 this “rapture” was stretched forward and turned into a separate coming of Christ. To further strengthen their novel view, which the mass of evangelical scholars rejected throughout the 1800s, pretrib teachers in the early 1900s began to stretch forward the “day of the Lord” (what Darby and Scofield never dared to do) and hook it up with their already-stretched-forward “rapture.” Many leading evangelical scholars still weren’t convinced of pretrib, so pretrib teachers then began teaching that the “falling away” of II Thess. 2:3 is really a pretrib rapture (the same as saying that the “rapture” in 2:3 must happen before the “rapture” [“gathering”] in 2:1 can happen – the height of desperation!). Google “Walvoord Melts Ice.”
Other Google articles on the 183-year-old pretrib rapture view include “Pretrib Rapture Politics,” “Famous Rapture Watchers,” “Pretrib Rapture Diehards,” “X-Raying Margaret,” “Margaret Macdonald’s Rapture Chart,” “Pretrib Rapture’s Missing Lines,” “Edward Irving is Unnerving,” “Thomas Ice (Bloopers),” “Wily Jeffrey,” “The Rapture Index (Mad Theology),” “America’s Pretrib Rapture Traffickers,” “Roots of (Warlike) Christian Zionism,” “Scholars Weigh My Research,” “Pretrib Hypocrisy,” “Appendix F: Thou Shalt Not Steal,” “Pretrib Rapture Secrecy,” “Deceiving and Being Deceived,” “Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty,” and “Morgan Edwards’ Rapture View” – most by the author of the bestselling book “The Rapture Plot” (the most accurate and documented book on pretrib rapture history which is obtainable by calling 800.643.4645).
Meh. Post trib doctine misses the fact that Christs bride, the Church will be without spot or wrinkle, impossible if she has been raped, mauled, starved and killed in the Great Tribulation. Nowhere in scripture does it say that the CHURCH, true followers of Christ, will endure the Great Trib. Further post trib doesnt differentiate between the catching away of the Bride and the Second Coming of Christ, judgment of the world.
Rapture DOES appear in the Bible..latin for ‘caught up’ is rapture…1 Thes 4:14-17. Post tribbers that say Rapture isnt in the Bible are ill informed.
there is need to understand what is the bride of Christ?
first i agree with you that the bride of Christ is the Church, but the error of pre-tribs is to separate the church and Israel.
the BRIDE = the CHURCH = the BODY OF CHRIST = the HOUSEHOLD OF ISRAEL
Ephesians 3:5-6
5 In past times human beings were not told this secret, but God has revealed it now by the Spirit to his holy apostles and prophets. 6 The secret is that by means of the gospel the Gentiles have a part with the Jews in God’s blessings; they are members of the same body and share in the promise that God made through Christ Jesus.
GNT
THE BODY OF CHRIST IS ONE BUT HAS MANY MEMBERS. ITS NOT TRUE THAT MEMBERS OF THE BODY OF CHRIST ARE GENTILES AND NOT ISRAEL. EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES THE GOSPEL AND RECEIVES THE SPIRIT IS A SON OF GOD AND BY THAT SPIRIT IS BAPTIZED INTO ONE BODY OF THE CHRIST. THIS IS SO WHETHER ONE IS A JEW OR GENTILE. IF WE AGREE THAT ISRAEL WILL BE SAVED DURING THE TRIBULATION SEE DANIEL 12:1-2 THEN ACCORDING TO PAUL THEY WILL BE BAPTIZED INTO ONE BODY WHICH IS OF THE CHRIST.
THE SCRIPTURE TEACHES THAT THE PROMISE WAS GIVEN TO ISRAEL AND GENTILE ARE CORE HEIRS TO THOSE PROMISES IN CHRIST THROUGH THE GOSPEL. GOD DID NOT CREATE ANOTHER BODY FOR GENTILES HE BROUGHT THEM NEAR THOSE WHO WERE FAR AWAY TO BE PART OF THE HOUSEHOLD OF ISRAEL. IF A GENTILE BELIEVES HE IS A SON OF ABRAHAM TOO AND IS JOINED TO THE HOUSE HOLD OF GOD THE CHURCH OR TRUE ISRAEL.
Ephesians 2:11-18
One in Christ
11 You Gentiles by birth — called “the uncircumcised” by the Jews, who call themselves the circumcised (which refers to what men do to their bodies) — remember what you were in the past. 12 At that time you were apart from Christ. You were foreigners and did not belong to God’s chosen people. You had no part in the covenants, which were based on God’s promises to his people, and you lived in this world without hope and without God. 13 But now, in union with Christ Jesus you, who used to be far away, have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For Christ himself has brought us peace by making Jews and Gentiles one people. With his own body he broke down the wall that separated them and kept them enemies. 15 He abolished the Jewish Law with its commandments and rules, in order to create out of the two races one new people in union with himself, in this way making peace. 16 By his death on the cross Christ destroyed their enmity; by means of the cross he united both races into one body and brought them back to God. 17 So Christ came and preached the Good News of peace to all — to you Gentiles, who were far away from God, and to the Jews, who were near to him. 18 It is through Christ that all of us, Jews and Gentiles, are able to come in the one Spirit into the presence of the Father.
GNT
SO HOW WILL THE BODY BE RAPTURED PRE TRIB LEAVING SOME OF ITS BORDY PARTS WHO WE AGREE WILL GO THROUGH THE GREAT TRIBULATION.
DISPENSATIONALISIM DOES NOT CREATE TWO BODIES, ITS ONLY EXPLAINS TIMES OF VISITATION:
THE FIRST ISRAELI DISPENSATION
1. JESUS SAID IM SENT ONLY TO THE LOST HOUSE OF ISREAL
– THE DISCIPLES OF JESUS WERE INSTRUCTED TO PREACH ONLY TO THE LOST HOUSE OF ISRAEL
2. THE GENTILE DISPENSATION
– THE GOSPEL WAS TAKEN TO THE GENTILES
3. THE SECOND AND FINAL ISRAELI DISPENSATION
– THE GOSPEL TAKEN TO ISRAEL DURING THE GREAT TRIBULATION PERIOD.
DURING THESE DISPENSATION EVERYONE WHO REPAINTS, BELIEVES IN THE GOSPEL, IS BAPTIZED AND RECEIVE THE SPIRIT BELONGS TO THE ONE BODY WHICH IS OF CHRIST.
THAT IS WHAT SCRIPTURE TEACHES DIFFERENT TIMES OF VISITATION FOR DIFFERENT CLASSES OF PEOPLE DOES NOT CREATE TWO GROUPS. THE BODY IS ONE.
NO ONE IS GOIN ANYWAY UNTIL EVERYONE WHO BELONGS TO THE BODY COMES IN
Seriously? Do you think that “without spot or wrinkle” is referring to her physical appearance? Gold and silver are purified through fire! The haw wood and stubble in our lives is burned away through persecution. Persecution strips away our independence and pride.
The flesh counts for nothing! God has no interest in saving our flesh. Do you not realize that the flesh is dead because of sin? Being persecuted and killed during the time of great tribulation is a privilege. They OVERCAME by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony, LOVING NOT THEIR LIVES UNTO DEATH!
Jesus defeated death by dying!
And that is how WE overcome.
And the Bible doesn’t differentiate between the catching away and the Second Coming either. Just because the differing accounts of the resurrection/rapture do not mention every single detail, does not mean they are different events, just as the differences between the events of the Gospels mean they are telling four separate stories. In the book of Zechariah, Jesus descends to the Mount of Olives and it splits in two. Nowhere does it say that He arrives on a white horse with His armies. Does that mean these two events are unrelated? If Revelation 4 mentions the rapture, where is the resurrection of the dead in Christ, the voice of an archangel, and the trumpet of God that Paul mentions. In the book of Zechariah, chapter 9 the Lord comes in judgment in the storms of the south, with lightning and God blows the Trumpet. Is this a different Trumpet than the one God blows in Paul’s account?
Each account is told from a different point of view, and TOGETHER they give the whole picture. They are one event.
Regardless of one’s position in the matter, the notion (or doctrine) of a pre-trib rapture was NOT conceived by a 15 year old Scottish girl (Margaret MacDonald).
I am agree with you! The US dollar is a bomb! The international monetary system and the commercial relationships are sitting over a time bomb!
I am writting a economic book in order to break with the fiat currency, and create a new monetary system. This new system will be even more powerfull than the gold standard.
In my opinion, Martin Luther is partially or completely exonerated by Matthew 7:20, By their fruits ye shall know them. His was the pivotal moment, at great risk to himself, to expose the clerical autocracy. His opposition to the peasants uprising, by the way, was based on a strange and unworkable hybrid of libertarianism and authoritarianism.
Libertarianism because he opposed the stealing and looting that the peasants were apparently saying was their right, and that only voluntary sharing of goods as in Acts 2 and Acts 4 was encouraged. Share your own voluntarily, but not someone else’s by force.
Authoritarianism because he invoked a misinterpretation of Romans 13 that is common to many. People forget to consider, even Martin Luther, that not all governments are “of God”, and not all government agents are “ministers of God”. If they are not “God’s ministers” (Rom 13:6), or “ministers of good”, they don’t qualify.
It usually holds though; David referred to “the wicked” as God’s sword, meaning God uses them to implement his judgements upon the people that are known by his name.
(I have copied this comment to my blog at truebook dot wordpress dot com.)
I’ve recently added your site to my Daring News sources. I was looking for ‘pre-trib converts’ using the search phrase “former pre-trib pastor” and found your article on Kent Hovind.
While checking out some of the other ‘daring content’ I found this video of Kay Griggs. I’ve spent the better part of the day viewing these videos and find them very compelling and extremely helpful in connecting the dots of this New World Order agenda.
But one thing really puzzles me. Why does it seem that these videos have just recently been released? The view count on Youtube on nearly all of Kay Griggs session with Pastor Rick Strawcutter is still less than 100.
As powerful, shocking, and revealing as this information is, it seems odd that I’ve not seen these earlier since the recording was done in 1996.
Hello Keith,
It was only recently I first heard of Kay Griggs, and around the time I posted it, May 24th. A friend introduced me to her. I think there have been many blog articles about her through the years. There are more Youtubes about her too. This one on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQNitCNycKQ has 95,441 views and was posted on Youtube 2 years ago.
Thank you Dave both for the reply and compliment. I did eventually find those videos that are older and have a higher view count. It was odd that they didn’t show up until I shortened the search to “Kay Griggs”.
Let me return or reiterate the compliment on your site.
Have you ever thought how the less well-known news sites ‘nip at the heels’ of those up the rung. That topics we boldly address toward the sanctioned hush prod the bigger players to address these as well, lest they seem inattentive and uninformed when the world finally says, “okay, we believe you now!”
I believe that’s what the prophets did. Their attitude is: God knows it’s true, even if the world considers me a lunatic. The prophet doesn’t write for the world, he writes for God.
Not that I’m a prophet but in the end, only God has the red pen.
Hello
I come from Brazil and I’d like for you to delve a little deeper into the conspiracy within world education systems to dishonor God’s image and render family and parental guidance useless. In Brazil, the education systems is trying to educate children into the sex industry, they’ve decreased the age of consent just before world cup 2014, and they are distributing indecent and extremely innappropriate material at schools, often telling children not to tell their parents. Please warn your readers to check what their children are being taught at school and the kind of material they’re been given to read. It’s really an awful situation.
Hi brother James, I want to start a blog of my own in English and maybe in Hindi language as these are the two most widely spoken languages in India where i live. I wish to ask you how easy is it to start a blog? Without taking much of your time, can you give me any tips or can you refer me to any site where i can learn how to do so. Thanks!
Also, Why are you not on the tfi site…i mean you haven’t put up ur profile? It would be a nice to see you there!
Love n God bless,
Neeraj
hi james,i guess i would have to ask a friend as i myself have not gotten around to making my profile :-), but will let u know once i hv the info. The other way is to ask others who already have their profiles. Thanks for your reply about blog setting up. GBY Neeraj
James, I have been reading many of your postings today with interest particularly the parallels between Daniel and Revelation. The March 13 reference to Obamacare and a chip implant seems to have come and gone without going into effect.
I am of likewise with Icke and Jones, why do neither mention the Jesuits and the Knights of Malta. If they were genuine and not NWO puppets, they’d be either dead or in jail. Bill Cooper was killed, as was David Kelly of the UK government.
David Icke has in fact written in detail about the Jesuit/ Vatican and the Knights of Malta connection, check the Phantom Self and The Perception Deception.
I share opinion of the man who posted on http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread915857/pg1
Yes, I know this has been presented on ATS before but now that Alex Jones has showed his crazy face on national television on the Piers Morgan show, we can all now assume this he is in fact a CIA disinformation agent. Just look at the guy. If he was in actuality trying to bring to light any sufficient amount of credibility of the information that he was trying to expose to his side or point of view, or lack thereof, he would have acted in a much calmer, assertive way rather than revealing what his true purpose was that of sabotaging the intelligence that many of us have obtained through diligent and intuitive research through means of seeing through all the BS. He may present many truths but if he was actually trying to turn this all around in one fell swoop he wouldn’t have started freaking out and going on his random tangents. He really does seem like a disinformation agent and he makes those who really do make a valiant effort of getting the truth out seem just as crazy as he is. Although, a lot of what he does say may be true it makes the rest of us look like total quacks.
a peace maker can tend to be a bit naive in his hopefulness. that is why Christ warns us:
Matthew 10:16
Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
a peace maker must bring into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.
Ephesians 5:15
See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
as a billiards player would (should) walk around the table at least one time inspecting every possible angle before attempting his first shot, we as disciples of Christ (peace makers) should endeavour to see things from more than one perspective.
he changed his name… a name for one’s self is a symbol… a branding symbol. the “bad guys” like to have multiple meanings in their symbols.
an anagram of “Fritz Springmeier” is “freezing rim trips”.
sleep not like the others – walk circumspectly.
another anagram of that name: “prefers miring zit”
“Fritz” is a Germanic (Bavarian) name meaning “peaceful ruler” or “peace-keeper”… that could possibly be a blinding jab to the nose intended to cloud righteous judgment…
when something is on the fritz, it is not in working order.
“springmeier” sounds Bavarian, but it is not easy to find an etymology on the name.
spring meier = spring mire?
Ezekiel 32:2
Son of man, take up a lamentation for Pharaoh king of Egypt, and say unto him, Thou art like a young lion of the nations, and thou art as a whale in the seas: and thou camest forth with thy rivers, and troubledst the waters with thy feet, and fouledst their rivers.
Ezekiel 34:18
Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures? and to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet?
with all this in mind, to look at the name meanings arranged backward (the way of the witches). it could give insight to the “hidden agenda” of the fallen ones: “mire the spring of the peace-makers.”
The first thing the “rebels” (al Qaeda and allies) did upon taking control of Tripoli was to create a central bank for Libya. It got almost no attention but was one of the main reasons for this NATO invasion of an Arab nation.
Interesting to note that after Solomon’s death, the tribes especially from the north came to his son demanding tax relief. When the son rejected the advice of the older wiser counsellors for the foolish advice of the younger ones and said he would tax them worse, they bolted and declared independence and split the kingdom in two, as prophecied before.
Nothing new under the sun.
Two in the field, one taken, one left.
Rev I will keep you OUT of the tribulation.
1 Thes 4 At the sound of the trumpet, dead in christ rise first then WE which are alive and remain shall be caught up to meet the Lord in the Air.
Later WE return with the Lord at the end of the Trib.
As for Johnny above, the word for falling away can be taken as a DEPARTURE, it doesnt say from the faith or from the earth. Take your pick. Ask why Thessalonians was written, they thought they had missed the rapture…. dont be soon shaken that you missed it….!
Sorry but I do not understand your point. Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
“His elect” in Matthew 24:31 means ALL those who have called on the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ to save them! Nobody but the unsaved, those who have not called on the Name of Jesus Christ will miss the rapture at the end of the tribulation of those days.
Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
[Hi Bro. James. Found the following on the web. Pretribs like Ice claim Edwards was pretrib, but Edwards’ words here (which they’ve covered up) show that Edwards’ rapture was tied to the Matt. 24 coming! Lord bless & reward your faithfulness.]
Morgan Edwards’ Rapture View
by George Wilson
In 1995, in a 24-page booklet on 18th century pastor Morgan Edwards, evangelist John Bray claimed that Edwards taught a pretrib rapture in his 1788 book titled “Two Academical Exercises….”
Those echoing Bray include Thomas Ice who wrote “Morgan Edwards: Another Pre-Darby Rapturist.” Edwards’ 1788 work can be found on the internet.
In order to claim that Edwards held to pretrib, candidates for the I-can-find-pretrib-earlier-in-church-history-than-you-can medal – including Bray, Ice, LaHaye, Frank Marotta etc. – have intentionally covered up Edwards’ “historicism,” his belief that the tribulation had already been going on for hundreds of years. (How can anyone in the tribulation go back in time and look for a pretrib rapture?)
Here’s proof of Edwards’ historicism and its companion “day-year” theory which can view the 1260 tribulation “days” as “years.”
On p. 14 Edwards described the Ottoman Empire (which was then already 400 years old) as the Rev. 13:11 “beast.” On p. 20 he defined “Antichrist” as the already 1000-year-old “popery” and the “succession of persons” known as “Popes” – his other Rev. 13 “beast.” He necessarily viewed Rev. 13’s 1260-day period as 1260 literal years in order to provide enough time for his two “beasts.”
On p. 19, while discussing “the ministry of the witnesses” of Rev. 11, he allotted “about 204 years” for their “years to perform” – years impossible to fit into a 3.5-year period!
What about Edwards’ rapture? On pp. 21-23 he wrote about “the appearing of the son of man in the clouds, coming to raise the dead saints and change the living, and to catch them up to himself….The signs of Christ’s appearing in the clouds will be extraordinary ‘wars and rumors of wars, earthquakes and famines,’ &. (Matth. xxiv. 6-8.)….The signs of his coming, in the heavens will be ‘the trump of God [I Thess. 4:16], vapor and smoke, which will darken the sun and moon [Matt. 24:29],’…and also cause those meteors called ‘falling stars’….
Right after his combined rapture/advent (!), Edwards said: “And therefore, now, Antichrist…will…counterfeit the preceding wonders in heaven…causing ‘fire to come down from heaven’….And that godhead he will now assume, after killing the two witnesses….Now the great persecution of the Jews will begin…for time, times, and half a time….”
Thomas Ice’s article on Edwards (listed at start) quoted only the first 27 words in the above quotation which end with “to himself” – and you can see why pretrib defender Ice stopped quoting there! (For an Ice-covered piece, Google “Pretrib Rapture Pride.”)
Not only had most of Edwards’ historicist tribulation occurred before his combined rapture/advent, but incredibly his Antichrist kept raging for 3.5 years even after the Matt. 24 signs! No wonder his tutor advised him to correct his thesis!
To read Edwards’ complete work, Google “[PDF] Two Academical Exercises…www.breadoflifebiblestudy.com.”
For more info on Edwards, Google “McPherson Page (thebibletruth.org).” Also Google “Deceiving and Being Deceived” by historian Dave MacPherson.
pre – trib, mid – trib and post – trib are all correct. There are three raptures.
the old testament is a shadow of the new and there are three times Israel are to appear before the lord, at the feast of passover, pentecost, and tabernacles.
The harvest have three parts, first fruits, main harvest and gleanings.
First fruits of barley Rev. 4:1, Main harvest Rev. 7:9 and gleanings Rev.11:12.
Love your teaching on creation, may God Bless, In Christ Bill K
PS I have written a book on this if you would like one free, E-mail Address.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
— Matthew 24:29-31
1 rapture, 3 parts. God tends to do things in 3. A trinity of trinities, if you will. 1) First fruits. MATTHEW 27:51-53. “And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the Earth did quake, and The Rock’s did rent; and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the Saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city and appeared on too many.” This is the the 1st part of the 1st ressurection which those who take part in will be blessed (Rev 20:6) There are 2 ressurections; one unto life (Jesus said “I am the ressurection AND the life) and one ressurection unto damnantion. (John 5:29) 2) HARVEST – then there is the 2nd part of the ressurection into life, which is the harvest ( the Body of Christ –
those dead in Christ which will rise first, and those who are alive in Christ which will be caught up in the air AT AN HOUR WHICH NO MAN KNOWETH) 3) GLEANINGS – Christ comes back for the gleaning, the 3rd part of the 1st ressurection, the ressurection unto life, Jesus is coming to meet in the air the TRIBES AND ELECT…THE JEWS (12 tribes – there are no tribes in the Body of Christ) that will go through half the tribulation who finally believe that Jesus is the Son of God and be raptured up before the wrath of God is poured out. They KNOW when this will happen because Daniel is prophesy for the Jews. Time of JACOBS TROUBLE. This is why it is so important to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH 2 TIM 2:15. dispensational study of the scripture is very important. Many blessings.
It was John Nelson Darby who invented the concept of dispensations of God’s dealings with man. This is a relatively new doctrine not held by the Church till the 19th century. Darby vaunted himself up above everybody, all the men of God of his day, including Charles Spurgeon who didn’t like him. It is helpful to study the history of doctrines in the church, and who they came from. I reject despensationalism knowing the source, an arrogant man who didn’t love his fellow brothers in Christ.
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